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Old_tex

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Rovio turns off after being Docked for about one minute.  The battery is fully charged via an external charger.  The navigations LEDs are functioning properly.  There are 8.5 volts at the charging terminals.  Rovio will navigate to the Dock and dock properly.  The blue LEDs flash, indicating a proper dock.  The blue LEDs begin to brighten and dim as they should.  All functions operated properly.  After being on the dock for about one minute, Rovio shuts off.  When Rovio is not on the dock, it will stay on for an hour and navigate properly.  Again, when it docks, it will stay on for about one minute and then shut off. Any ideas?

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April 16, 2011 11:46 PM

What version of firmware do you have? I like 5.03 stable.
http://www.robocommunity.com/download/17181/Rovio-Firmware-v.5.03-stable/

Rovio Commander II
Record Video, Motion Detect, Sentry Paths and more. All features built in. <br>
http://www.robocommunity.com/download/15769/_New-Rovio-Commander-II/

April 17, 2011 9:03 AM

I had the same issue...it ended up being the connection inside the dock that disables current to the charging pads when Rovio is off the dock. I just wired around the positive connector.It looked like a bit of over engineering anyway...probably a safety feature to insure no shorts while it's off the dock. The charge buttons fall below the surface so I don't see any harm in this "repair" .

April 17, 2011 9:22 AM

CRM - I looked at that and thought the same as you. After playing with Rovio's position for a while, I finally got it to stay on all night. It is interesting that when Rovio is on the dock, but without connection, that the unit turns off. Yet, when it is not on the dock, it will stay on continuously. How does it know it is docked without a solid electrical connection through the charger? Does the software assume it is docked because of its position relative to the navigation location? (Home?) Interesting. I wish we could disassemble the fireware and see what it looks for. Thanks for the input. I may just rewire the dock, also? Old_tex

April 17, 2011 7:51 PM

Here is the next installment of the issue concerning the Rovio turning off when docked. CRM suggested that I wire around the switch, which disables the charging contacts when Rovio is not on the dock. Removing the bottom of the dock, I found the switch in question. It controls the positive terminal of the docking mechanism. I measured the resistance from the plate that contacts the "ball" part of the switch and depressed the mechanism, which simulates Rovio's weight when docked. I read a resistance of over 10 ohms. That much reistance in series with the charging circuit will drop enough voltage to not allow the battery to be completely charged. I disassembled the mechanism and, using an art eraser, burnished the contact surfaces of the switch plate and the ball. After reassembly, the series resistance dropped to below 1.0 ohm. The unit is charging perfectly now. An assumption: If Rovio is on the docking station and does not sense that it is charging, it will turn itself off. Too high a series resistance, caused by dirty contacts, will give that indication. Also, because of the series voltage drop caused by the relatively high current flow during charging, the batteries will be incompletely charged. Could something as simple as that be the cause for all the battery problems we have seen? I know from over 40 years of experience with all types of electronic systems that the first place to look is for something mechanical; contacts, etc.
The contacts in Rovio are not gold and therefore will probably tarnish. It is worth a look-see, if you are having charging problems. Especially, if you live in a moist climate. Maybe a little "tuner cleaner" is in order. Don't hurt the plastic, though. Old_Tex

April 17, 2011 8:47 PM

The "contacts" not only are poor...you will also find that the plating on that contact is barely attached. On mine the wire was attached to the small plate and the connection was not making it through to the plating and on to the Rovio. That is why I decided to bypass it completely. It has been flawless since.

April 22, 2011 10:39 AM

Well, it has been almost one week since I issued this "fix" for Rovio. My battery shows all bars green. It has more "pep" than ever before. I feel sure that it is the root cause for all the battery issues (where the battery is not just dead). Anyone having battery problems or, at least, short battery life should consider this fix. Old_tex

April 22, 2011 6:17 PM updated: April 22, 2011 6:19 PM

Old_tex said: Well, it has been almost one week since I issued this "fix" for Rovio. My battery shows all bars green. It has more "pep" than ever before. I feel sure that it is the root cause for all the battery issues (where the battery is not just dead). Anyone having battery problems or, at least, short battery life should consider this fix. Old_tex

Are you kidding??Since "YOU" issued the "fix"??? If you will just glance up a post or two where I told you what the problem was and what to do about it!

Glad I was able to help you post a fix with my investigation, my discovery ,my information and my resolution! Most of all I'm glad YOU figured it out.

April 17, 2011 10:03 AM CRM SAID:

I had the same issue...it ended up being the connection inside the dock that disables current to the charging pads when Rovio is off the dock. I just wired around the positive connector.It looked like a bit of over engineering anyway...probably a safety feature to insure no shorts while it's off the dock. The charge buttons fall below the surface so I don't see any harm in this "repair" .

April 22, 2011 7:06 PM

"Are you kidding??Since "YOU" issued the "fix"??? If you will just glance up a post or two where I told you what the problem was and what to do about it!"

WOW, are we sensitive or what? I didn't mean to insinuate that you didn't find it. Far be it for me to take the credit. It's funny that all the talk about batteries not charging and all of a sudden your "fix" popped up. I didn't want to hack my Rovio and rewire anything. It should work as designed. Anyway, it's fixed now. Old_tex

April 22, 2011 10:02 PM

I've always had a problem with people taking the credit of others. And my fix didn't just pop up. I've gone through two Rovios and spend a lot of time over a two year period researching and testing to finally come up with the repairs that does make the Rovio the product it should have been from the beginning. So for someone to post the "fix" just a few post down from my resolve, yes it makes me "sensitive".

April 22, 2011 10:37 PM

I have had a problem with my battery holding a charge. Have any of you thought of mounting an external longterm battery pack and or a solar cell array on the rovio itself?
thanks for your help
pete

April 23, 2011 9:58 AM

docsavage said: I have had a problem with my battery holding a charge. Have any of you thought of mounting an external longterm battery pack and or a solar cell array on the rovio itself? thanks for your help pete

If your battery and charging circuits are good you really shouldn't need any additional charging sources.

What kind of issues are you having??

April 23, 2011 1:06 PM

I bought my Rovio from an individual who had it for over a year. It sat in the closet for at least six months. He said that he never got more than 15 minutes use from the battery. When I received it, I charged the battery at 800mA for three hours. (It is a 3AH battery.) I used an adjustable power supply and series ammeter, nothing special. I let the battery stablize after charging and measured its voltage to be six volts. I reinstalled the battery and Rovio worked just fine. Then is when I discovered that the charging circuit was marginal. That is what started this discussion. Now, the charging circuit delivers almost 8 volts at the loaded terminals (when Rovio is docked.) As CRM stated, the intermediate contact is marginal. He rewired around it, I just cleaned and burnished the contact. Rovio maintains a full charge, now. I have read of others increasing the wall transformer voltage. However, that voltage also powers the infared LEDs and other circuitry in the base... So, I, personally, would not advise doing that. Old_tex (Hope I didn't step on any more sensitive toes.)

April 29, 2011 8:30 PM

Old_tex said: I bought my Rovio from an individual who had it for over a year. It sat in the closet for at least six months. He said that he never got more than 15 minutes use from the battery. When I received it, I charged the battery at 800mA for three hours. (It is a 3AH battery.) I used an adjustable power supply and series ammeter, nothing special. I let the battery stablize after charging and measured its voltage to be six volts. I reinstalled the battery and Rovio worked just fine. Then is when I discovered that the charging circuit was marginal. That is what started this discussion. Now, the charging circuit delivers almost 8 volts at the loaded terminals (when Rovio is docked.) As CRM stated, the intermediate contact is marginal. He rewired around it, I just cleaned and burnished the contact. Rovio maintains a full charge, now. I have read of others increasing the wall transformer voltage. However, that voltage also powers the infared LEDs and other circuitry in the base... So, I, personally, would not advise doing that. Old_tex (Hope I didn't step on any more sensitive toes.)
Nope..no more sensitive toes....I figure that with about three more post from you, you'll be claiming you designed,engineered, and built each one by hand...................

May 4, 2011 11:39 PM

Ok guys,
I want to roam outside with my rovio. I want to have about an hour of charge i am only getting about 5 min of charge. thanks guys
pete

May 4, 2011 11:47 PM

also did you both ever think about designing a roving vehicle with a high gain antenna. i would like to hack this machine when i get enough time.
pete

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May 5, 2011 3:36 PM

So Pete, did you fix your problem or are you asking for help? If you asking for help did you try what CRM said to do? His fix could be your problem.


Good luck.

Rovio Commander II
Record Video, Motion Detect, Sentry Paths and more. All features built in. <br>
http://www.robocommunity.com/download/15769/_New-Rovio-Commander-II/

May 5, 2011 5:48 PM

CowboyTex,
My son graduates today i will try what you guys said
thanks pete

June 10, 2011 9:27 PM

Hello everyone,

I too am experiencing the same problem where Rovio returns to the charge dock and within a minute it turns off completely. I don't understand how to apply the fix. Am I supposed to remove the switch and solder a wire between the contact points of the location called SW on the PCB?

June 12, 2011 2:34 PM

As I said originally, I simply took the base apart and burnished the contacts that close when Rovio's weight is on the charging base. Others have wired around those contacts. So as not to create an issue, I take no credit for any of it. My Rovio works just fine now.

June 15, 2011 5:55 PM

I too burnished the contacts and still no go. Rovio shuts down (no lights) within a minute of starting to charge on the charing dock.

I went ahead and soldered the wire between the contact points of the location marked SW on the PCB and the problem continued. I removed Rovio from the charge dock and tested with a multimeter the charging contacts on the dock. They registered 8.20 volts. I removed the battery from Rovio and tested it and it registered 6 volts. I placed Rovio upside down and I ran wires from the charging contacts on the charge dock to the metal plates on the belly of Rovio. Rovio flashed its leds and started to dim in and out the leds like it does when it is on the charge dock and within a minute it turned completely off. I bought a battery replacement and used that battery and still the same thing. What am I missing here guys? Please help, thus far I don't see a logical reason for this to happen

June 15, 2011 6:02 PM

I've had that happen, too. I assume you have upgraded Rovio to the latest software. I did that when I first got the robot. After wrestling with the charging issue, I had the same thing happen a few times. I took Rovio back to the computer and reset it using the USB cable. That seemed to make it work. Haven't had that problem in a while. Old_tex

June 16, 2011 11:09 AM

I have tried two brand new Rovio's that I just got from thinkgeek. They told me they just got 700 of them in to sell. They told me WowWee would support the product and that they have fixed the problems. This is 100% false. The email directly from WowWee stated that known FW issues will not be fixed and the issue we are all having is a FW/SW related.

I get a message in my browser saying that Rovio's battery is low and need to go back to the dock. Even though it is already on the dock. I have to click yes or no. Either way within a few minutes it goes off line. This happens even if I am pinging it in the background.

The only thing that I can do is lift the back wheel to separate it from the base and set it back down. Then it comes back on line. Turning it off/on also works, but unplugging the wall charger and then replugging does nothing. There is something in the FW protecting the batteries form over charging and instead of stopping the charge it just stops everything.

FWIW, it came with a 5.01 SW that you can't download and I upgraded to 5.03.

July 11, 2011 12:31 AM

I just received a Rovio from ThinkGeek and am experiencing the same problem (goes to dock, starts to charge, dies after one minute). I disassembled the base and flicked the switch a bunch of times in succession (to clean the contacts, I guess?) and it worked until several hours later.

July 11, 2011 9:21 PM

DN said: I just received a Rovio from ThinkGeek and am experiencing the same problem (goes to dock, starts to charge, dies after one minute). I disassembled the base and flicked the switch a bunch of times in succession (to clean the contacts, I guess?) and it worked until several hours later.
Don't expect ANYTHING from WowWee. Unless your are willing to spend your time and money to fix the things they should have, I would return it ASAP, while you can still get your money back!

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