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May 19, 2008 02:41 PM

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sammy

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i have got a spider sapien and the leg will not move atall plz help! i have taken the plate of and doseent look like there is anything wrong but it wont move

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May 19, 2008 3:41 PM

First of all, when you say SpiderSapien, do you mean the spiderman RoboSapien V1, or the RoboQuad?

May 20, 2008 1:07 PM

i meen robosapien v1

May 20, 2008 1:28 PM

Does the motor run, but it fails to move the leg, or does the motor not power up at all for "dead" leg?

If the motor runs, then we're looking at a mechanical linkage issue.
If the motor doesn't run, then we're looking for an electrical connection issue.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

May 21, 2008 1:55 PM

I agree with you MrScott. Lets wait till we hear from sammy and then take it further. I would like to know what he/she has done so far, so we can pin point the problem. I left my V1 appart so I could get to the motors and board if need be.

GWJax, To Hack and make mods on robots is a life style and comes natural and not by choice. If a robot has a screw to open it then it must be opened!

May 21, 2008 2:02 PM

MrScott said: Does the motor run, but it fails to move the leg, or does the motor not power up at all for "dead" leg? If the motor runs, then we're looking at a mechanical linkage issue. If the motor doesn't run, then we're looking for an electrical connection issue.
well the leg does not move and the knee does not

May 21, 2008 2:07 PM updated: May 21, 2008 2:09 PM

sammy what Mr Scott is asking is weather the motor is turning at all? if its not then you have an electricial problem and if the motor does turn then you have a mechanicial failure somewhere.

ps you must have the covers off to view the motors.

GWJax, To Hack and make mods on robots is a life style and comes natural and not by choice. If a robot has a screw to open it then it must be opened!

May 21, 2008 2:08 PM

sammy said:
MrScott said: Does the motor run, but it fails to move the leg, or does the motor not power up at all for "dead" leg? If the motor runs, then we're looking at a mechanical linkage issue. If the motor doesn't run, then we're looking for an electrical connection issue.
well the leg does not move and the knee does not

 Whether or not the leg moves does not answer the question asked. You told us the leg doesn't move in the very first post.

 Are the motors powered up, or are they silent?

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

May 21, 2008 2:08 PM

GWJax said: I agree with you MrScott. Lets wait till we hear from sammy and then take it further. I would like to know what he/she has done so far, so we can pin point the problem. I left my V1 appart so I could get to the motors and board if need be.
lets see i have taken the leg plate of but does not look like anything is wrong with it but it does not move i think it is a broken servo

May 21, 2008 2:11 PM

MrScott said:
sammy said:
MrScott said: Does the motor run, but it fails to move the leg, or does the motor not power up at all for "dead" leg? If the motor runs, then we're looking at a mechanical linkage issue. If the motor doesn't run, then we're looking for an electrical connection issue.
well the leg does not move and the knee does not
 Whether or not the leg moves does not answer the question asked. You told us the leg doesn't move in the very first post.  Are the motors powered up, or are they silent?
yes they are silent and it does not do anything

May 21, 2008 2:11 PM

There are no "servos". There are only DC motors that spin when a battery is connected. Are the motors spinning? Can you hear them whine, grind, or otherwise show signs of getting power?

If not, it's an electrical problem.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

May 21, 2008 2:12 PM updated: May 21, 2008 2:14 PM

So, it's an electrical problem then.

The other leg is fine? It moves as it should, as do the arms, waist, head, etcetera?

Do you own a voltmeter? Can you use it determine whether there is power being delivered to the motor cable?

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

May 21, 2008 2:14 PM

MrScott said: There are no "servos". There are only DC motors that spin when a battery is connected. Are the motors spinning? Can you hear them whine, grind, or otherwise show signs of getting power? If not, it's an electrical problem.
i cant here any sound from them attall

May 21, 2008 2:15 PM

now lets take this further is it it's left leg or it's right leg that does not move?

GWJax, To Hack and make mods on robots is a life style and comes natural and not by choice. If a robot has a screw to open it then it must be opened!

May 21, 2008 2:15 PM

MrScott said: So, it's an electrical problem then. The other leg is fine? It moves as it should, as do the arms, waist, head, etcetera? Do you own a voltmeter? Can you use it determine whether there is power being delivered to the motor cable?
yes my dad has one but he ses since it is my toy i have to do it

May 21, 2008 2:16 PM

GWJax said: now lets take this further is it it's left leg or it's right leg that does not move?
if you turn it around to its back it is the left

May 21, 2008 2:17 PM

So is Dad going to let you use the voltmeter, or does he expect you figure it out without the necessary tools?

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

May 21, 2008 2:18 PM

MrScott said: So is Dad going to let you use the voltmeter, or does he expect you figure it out without the necessary tools?
he will let me use tools but not the voltmeter

May 21, 2008 2:20 PM

ok mrscott take it from here I have to return to work but when I get home I'll grab some voltages and have him check the wires and board, ie. transistors for the hbridge and diodes

GWJax, To Hack and make mods on robots is a life style and comes natural and not by choice. If a robot has a screw to open it then it must be opened!

May 21, 2008 2:21 PM

not good it you cannot use the voltmeter.

GWJax, To Hack and make mods on robots is a life style and comes natural and not by choice. If a robot has a screw to open it then it must be opened!

May 21, 2008 2:22 PM

Since it's an electrical problem, that does present some challenges to the diagnosis.

At some point you're going to have to figure out where the voltage is, and where it's not getting to. If the other motors are fine, then there are batteries providing voltage to the motor control board. What's not known is whether the board is not driving the motor in question, whether a cable is loose at the board or at the motor, whether there is a broken wire in the cable, or whether the motor is cooked.

Do you have a flashlight bulb and some wire to build a simple voltage tester?

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

May 21, 2008 2:22 PM

if you have a soldering iron an a 1k resistor and a battery I can show you how to make a wire checker.

GWJax, To Hack and make mods on robots is a life style and comes natural and not by choice. If a robot has a screw to open it then it must be opened!

May 21, 2008 2:24 PM

I see your on top of it mrscott I return later and read whats happening
Jax

GWJax, To Hack and make mods on robots is a life style and comes natural and not by choice. If a robot has a screw to open it then it must be opened!

May 21, 2008 2:26 PM

MrScott said: Since it's an electrical problem, that does present some challenges to the diagnosis. At some point you're going to have to figure out where the voltage is, and where it's not getting to. If the other motors are fine, then there are batteries providing voltage to the motor control board. What's not known is whether the board is not driving the motor in question, whether a cable is loose at the board or at the motor, whether there is a broken wire in the cable, or whether the motor is cooked. Do you have a flashlight bulb and some wire to build a simple voltage tester?
i could get my dad to do that but not today i have bout a robosapien hack book so when it comes i will be able to get the plates of without killing it

May 21, 2008 2:33 PM updated: May 21, 2008 2:35 PM

Like most things in life, there are likely explanations, and less likely explanations. Disconnected or broken wires are likely. A stuck motor is possible. Dead motor controls are less likely, especially if other motors work.

If a single motor is not getting power, but the other motors are, then a likely explanation is that a wiring plug has pulled out of a socket. Try disconnecting, and reconnecting the cable that connects the silent motor to the control board.

I don't have a RoboSapien (V1 or Spider variant), so I can't tell you exactly where to look, what color it is, etcetera. Based on what I've seen in other WowWee robots, I'd expect both ends of the cable to have a plug and socket connection.

If that doesn't fix it, the next thing to check is whether the wires in that cable are intact. If one has come loose from its plug, or broken in half inside the cable, then the power can't get to the motor.

It is for this broken wire testing that a voltage meter or continuity tester is handy. You cannot tell by looking at the outside insulation of a wire whether or not the conductor inside is in one piece.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

May 21, 2008 2:37 PM

MrScott said: Like most things in life, there are likely explanations, and less likely explanations. Disconnected or broken wires are likely. A stuck motor is possible. Dead motor controls are less likely, especially if other motors work. If a single motor is not getting power, but the other motors are, then a likely explanation is that a wiring plug has pulled out of a socket. Try disconnecting, and reconnecting the cable that connects the silent motor to the control board. I don't have a RoboSapien (V1 or Spider variant), so I can't tell you exactly where to look, what color it is, etcetera. Based on what I've seen in other WowWee robots, I'd expect both ends of the cable to have a plug and socket connection. If that doesn't fix it, the next thing to check is whether the wires in that cable are intact. If one has come loose from its plug, or broken in half inside the cable, then the power can't get to the motor.
ok when i get the book i will take him apart to see what is wrong

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