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Billboard

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Robocommunity is a great forum and sometimes it takes a while until someone knows you Private Messaged them even if they are on at the same time as you. To take this problem away, why not create some kind of chatbox for robo community? You could ask questions faster and you could even have a little fun with it. I believe it would help out with people that need help. I see sometimes, no one posts in a thread where someone needs help, this would help.

 Please at least think about it, if you would like to make a temporary version to see what it would be like, you can create a free one here. xat.com

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April 28, 2008 9:44 PM

http://www.robocommunity.com/forum/thread/11218/Robot-live-chat

http://www.robocommunity.com/forum/thread/12481/Would-a-CHAT-System-Be-of-Int...

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

April 28, 2008 9:52 PM

You may lock/delete this. :p

April 29, 2008 6:53 AM

Nah... we'll leave it around.. Maybe third thread's the charm.

Another way to go could be to just leverage the AOL or Yahoo instant messaging service. I don't use either very much, but I've spent marginally more time using Yahoo's service than AOL's.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

April 29, 2008 9:48 AM

AOL Instant Messenger works quite well - Macs have a built in client, and PC's have Trillian, which is another great instant messaging program. Give it a shot and see if you like it!

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April 29, 2008 1:17 PM updated: April 29, 2008 1:18 PM

It's not quite as easy as "giving it a shot".

A board specific Chat room would likely list how many members are in it at a given time. There's no "RoboCommunity on AOL" interface that will display how many RoboCommunity members are currently logged into CHAT. My limited use of Yahoo or AOL instant messaging is that it is predominantly geared for two person dialogs, but that additional people can be added to a group.

When I start Yahoo IM, I see my contact list, and an indication of who is online. I can create personal groups of IDs to identify an ID with a group like RoboCommunity, but there is no "group in the sky" that manages that list for me.

Giving it "a shot" will involve members sharing their instant message IDs on whatever the chosen system is, and having other members add those IDs to contact lists.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

April 29, 2008 1:35 PM updated: April 29, 2008 1:36 PM

You're right, MrScott, it isn't that easy (is it ever?) but I figured it would be a bit out of scope to include a fully detailed AIM how-to in this thread :) But I use AIM daily, so here's some more information:

It is primarily geared for person to person contact. With AIM, you can create lists of your contacts, and group them appropriately. Any computer with an AIM client should pick up your "Buddy List" which is stored on the AIM servers (or wherever they decide to put it.) So, in a sense, your buddy list is being stored and managed. If your computer crashes, when you reinstall AIM and log in, your Buddy List will still be there, the same goes if you access on your mobile phone, etc.

You can also create chat rooms which multiple people can join, if invited. I've found that this group function works quite well.

Billboard, if you want to chat with users online, you would need to know their AIM (or other messaging service) ID's. I would advise against asking (or nagging) other users for this private information, though. I wouldn't advise sharing it in public, either, since that could have some negative results.

And MrScott is also correct in pointing out that there is no AOL usability incorporated into RoboCommunity, so merely installing an AIM client does not magically get you connected with other users.

Here's a link to the AOL Instant Messenger FAQ, hopefully it will be of some assistance to you.

I don't have much experience with other messaging clients.

I apologize for not elaborating further in my initial post, hopefully this clears up any questions.

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April 29, 2008 2:04 PM

What I meant by no group management being done for you, is that there will be no single "RoboCommunity Contact List" managed in a central location. No central list for AIM or YM to source and notify you of registered RoboCommunity members who are logged in.

It will be up to each user to maintain their list of chat friends, from RoboCommunity or elsewhere, and figure out whether any of those friends are currently involved in a multi-way discussion that they might invite you into.

In hindsight, I don't see this AIM or YM scheme working particularly well for the member seeking the instant gratification of jumping into a chat system and chatting with whoever might be there.

Somebody inclined to do so might want to look at setting up a Yuku Board parallel to RoboCommunity, and leveraging the chat systems that those boards provide for free.

If that were to happen, the discussion threads support for those parallel service providers would inevitably draw away some of the RoboCommunity thread content, too. I see that as a bad thing for RoboCommunity as we know it.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

April 29, 2008 2:18 PM updated: April 29, 2008 3:27 PM

Agreed. It would not make sense for someone to parallel what we have here. Using an external chat client to replace conversation on the community could create potential issues for the user:

- It wouldn't create a post that any user on the community can discover, which would limit exposure and comments from the public

- It doesn't help you if you're in a dramatically different timezone; i.e, you may not be able to talk to your friends anyway if they're halfway across the globe and asleep

- It could affect your browsing experience negatively if you get constant pings

- It could open potential security issues for you and your computer

- If you ping someone and they're not there, they may never get the message, where if you leave it on the community, they are guaranteed to receive it

The moral here is that an external chat client simply cannot replace what the community has to offer, and that much is lost (for everyone) if conversations are ever steered away from the community.

Frankly, PM's can be used as a private "chat" mechanism - I have done so many times, and it works well and quickly, along with creating a record on the site of who I have talked to, and email notifications so I don't miss them :)

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April 29, 2008 3:05 PM updated: April 29, 2008 3:07 PM

It would not make sense to start a chat system independent of RoboCommunity.

It makes perfect sense to make a chat system native in the community.

It's a different kind of interaction. Transient, real-time, not transcribed into a permanent record that lingers forever.

Saying there's no need for Chat, is like saying there's no need for a water cooler conversation at work in lieu of e-mail.

Each has its place.

PersonalMail is no substitute for a realtime, n-way, chatroom.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

April 29, 2008 3:26 PM updated: April 29, 2008 3:29 PM

I agree that PM's cannot replace the "instant gratification" of a real-time chat room, I was just pointing out that it "can be used" if you need to chat with someone.

I should have clarified in my last post that I was referring to using an external chat client to replace interaction on the community, I apologize for not stating that specifically.

An integrated, native chat solution would incorporate the conversation in a beneficial way, where navigating conversation off of the community to an external chat client would definitely detract from the community.

So, I agree with you on all accords :)

Peter Redmer
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