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February 22, 2008 01:37 PM

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eovti

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1) A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, unless the batteries run down and the robot forgets everything.

2) A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law or the human has been stupid enough to switch the robot off and on, or the batteries run down.

3) A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law or the batteries run down.

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What I'm trying to say here is simply that if our Wowwee pets had a permanent memory they would be top of the class, along with Aibo!

It wouldn't cost much; they would still be affordable toys, and the target group would be much bigger.

Any wievs on this? What if Wowwee received 10000 emails demanding a permanent memory for their next robot?

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eovti Avatar
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February 22, 2008 1:50 PM

Can some mod please move this to "General WowWee Discussion Forum"? I guess it belongs there.

I,robot114 Avatar
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February 22, 2008 2:49 PM

What?!   Well here's a peice from another discussion thread that may pretain to this:

I,robot114 said: 1. A robot may not harm a human nor through any inaction let a human come to harm...  2. A robot must obey any order given to them exept where such action would conflict with the first law...3. A robot must protect its own existance except where such action would conflict with the first or second law...

The only problem with that is that these robots (RoboSapiens) were designed by Mark Tilden, who wholly disagrees with Asimov's "laws". Tilden's Laws follow;

  1. A robot must protect its existence at all costs.
  2. A robot must obtain and maintain access to its own power source.
  3. A robot must continually search for better power sources

In other words,

  1. Protect thy @$$
  2. Feed thy @$$
  3. Move thy @$$ to better real estate

Tilden's reasoning is simple. If a robot vacuum cleaner followed Asimov's laws, it would be so scared of bumping into your toe and potentially hurting you that it would just sit cowering in the corner. 

(As quoted by another member in another thread)

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

I,robot114 Avatar
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February 22, 2008 2:50 PM

Wait! Are you complaining about the battery life?

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

eovti Avatar
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February 22, 2008 3:05 PM

I,robot114 said: Wait! Are you complaining about the battery life?

I'm not complaining about the battery life; my RQ has been running all day.

I'm complaining about the total amnesia (loss of programs) when you turn these bots off. Why can't they be like my PocketPC, which remembers everything even when I switch the batteries? Shouldn't be hard to do.

MrScott Avatar
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February 22, 2008 3:20 PM

Buy an RSV2, or RSMedia. They remember their stored programs when switched off.

Not sure how long the program would be retained if the batteries were totally removed. It depends on the type of memory they used to store the program, and whether it has any sort of memory saving feature to survive short term battery removal. A big capacitor is all that's needed to provide some protection from battery removal.

I'm assuming the not yet released Rovio will also retain it's data when powered down. It has the advantage of having enough smarts to find its way back to the charging station when the charge runs down. 

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

eovti Avatar
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February 22, 2008 3:23 PM

I have much respect for Mark Tilden, with his Indiana Jones hat and everything, but his laws are just a joke.

Even Isaac Asimov admitted that the Laws for a robot nurse would be different from those of a robot cop.

This would not break - or even bend - the laws, as both the nurse and the cop would do what was neccessary to keep a maximum number of people alive.

I,robot114 Avatar
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February 22, 2008 3:26 PM

The robopanda also remembers programs when it's battery life runs down.

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

eovti Avatar
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February 22, 2008 3:31 PM

I,robot114 said: The robopanda also remembers programs when it's battery life runs down.
Yeah, but who wants a RoboPanda after the age of six? :-)

eovti Avatar
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February 22, 2008 3:42 PM

eovti said:
I,robot114 said: Wait! Are you complaining about the battery life?
I'm not complaining about the battery life; my RQ has been running all day. I'm complaining about the total amnesia (loss of programs) when you turn these bots off. Why can't they be like my PocketPC, which remembers everything even when I switch the batteries? Shouldn't be hard to do.

I bought a Nintendo Gameboy Advance when they were first released, many, many years ago. About a month ago I found it in a closet. I inserted the "Lord of the Rings" cartridge, and was kinda surprised to find that I could continue the game from where I had left it way back in 2004.

And the same went for all the other games I had started, but never finished.

So this is old technology.

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February 22, 2008 3:53 PM

Hey! Whoa now! I got mine for christmas, plus its only if your a collector that you get robots intended for small children( Which I am) (Not a small child, a collector)

and by the way since your a new member I'll help you out: If the person you want to reply to is directly above you in the discussion chain just post the comment, you don't have to press the "reply with quote"button.(:^))

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

eovti Avatar
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February 22, 2008 3:57 PM

Tnx, I'm just not used to this site yet :-)

I,robot114 Avatar
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February 22, 2008 4:01 PM

You're very welcome, It's always a pleasure to help.(:^))

P.S. you probebly got a welcome message from me in your inbox.

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

Nocturnal Avatar
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February 22, 2008 6:50 PM

Non volatile memory is more expensive than volatile memory, so its a question of cost and design complexity, not technology. In most cases, WowWee's products do not have anywhere to store the programs outside of the CPU's ram.

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milw Avatar
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February 22, 2008 8:21 PM

hi eovti, I added the 'WowWee Product Suggestions' and 'General WowWee Discussion' to the topics for this thread.

Rovio rules!
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Robo BG Avatar
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February 23, 2008 8:38 AM

Irobot,

  I think Evoti was already using the Reply with Quote button because his quotes appeared in itallisized(spelled wrong) font in a little box.

Keep the robotic dreams,
-BG
http://www.robocommunity.com/article/12811/Cool-Programs-To-Use-For-Roboquad-...

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February 23, 2008 10:30 AM

AHHHHHHHH, again with spelling my name wrong! It's I,robot114, that simple!

and I was telling him that he didn't have to press the reply with quote button to reply to a comment directly above him.

and sorry for yelling about the name thing, It's just that it's not that hard to spell, and it only takes a little more time and effort to make sure their names are spelled right.(:^))

"Life is not measured by the breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away."

MrScott Avatar
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February 23, 2008 12:07 PM

--------Moderator Rumblings----------

Okay, you kids. Don't make me stop this forum. So help help me, I'll just turn this forum around and we'll all go straight back home.

But seriously, folks, an ounce of tolerance will make the ride a lot smoother for everybody. There's a  couple of subthreads weaving between multiple threads that should just be taken to PM if you have issues with another community member.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

Robo BG Avatar
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February 23, 2008 3:32 PM

I,robot114 said: AHHHHHHHH, again with spelling my name wrong! It's I,robot114, that simple! and I was telling him that he didn't have to press the reply with quote button to reply to a comment directly above him. and sorry for yelling about the name thing, It's just that it's not that hard to spell, and it only takes a little more time and effort to make sure their names are spelled right.(:^))
ok I am simply just spelling your name in a simple easier way.  I have all the letters correct I am just not adding the comma or numbers.  I don't see the big issue here buddy!

Keep the robotic dreams,
-BG
http://www.robocommunity.com/article/12811/Cool-Programs-To-Use-For-Roboquad-...

Rudolph Avatar
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February 23, 2008 9:37 PM

The issue is that it's his (chosen) name, and it's spelled the way it is. How about I just call you Ted, because it's easier to spell?

I have no tolerance for people who misspell my name (my real, first name). It's three freakin letters long, and people still manage to screw it up.

Watch out, don't step in the anthropomorphization.

Nocturnal Avatar
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February 23, 2008 9:48 PM

Now I have to ask, what is your real first name?

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Rudolph Avatar
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February 23, 2008 10:21 PM

Oh yeah, it's Del. Fun story about that, actually, this has happened twice;

Them: Del, eh? That short for anything?

Me: Nope, that's it. Just Del.

Them: You sure?

Freaking idiots... I also get Dal, Dale (not surprising), Dave (um), Jeff (?!), Dil, Bill... Dell I can appreciate, there's no pronunciation difference with or without the extra L. I think more people misspell Del than Rudolph though.

Watch out, don't step in the anthropomorphization.

Nocturnal Avatar
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February 23, 2008 11:11 PM

I knew a girl at Uni called Hebah, lots of people had problems pronouncing her name (I hate to think how they would spell it). Del is not a name I would have thought people would have trouble with.

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Robo BG Avatar
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February 24, 2008 12:30 PM

Ok look.  Ted is totally off from my name.  Irobot is not off from his (her) name.  I am just leaving out the comma and the 114.  Is that really a big deal?

Keep the robotic dreams,
-BG
http://www.robocommunity.com/article/12811/Cool-Programs-To-Use-For-Roboquad-...

Sarita Avatar
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February 24, 2008 1:05 PM

Yes, Irobot is little bit different thing than I, robot114. Or what do you think "bob" ?

Leo: For example today I will get love which I use to create sentences.
Billy: But you are neutral you need love.
Bridget: In the sky and cover the moment.
Bridget: Do you think that sleep mode is better than a human soul.

Robo BG Avatar
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February 24, 2008 6:02 PM

-----Turns red with anger and annoyance-------

There is not much of a difference between those two names!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Keep the robotic dreams,
-BG
http://www.robocommunity.com/article/12811/Cool-Programs-To-Use-For-Roboquad-...

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