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Eric Brandt

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TransformersI know, I know -- the reviewers are all panning it.

Saying it is all about GM product placement, babes and big explosions. Ok. All valid points about crude capitalism, rah-rah U.S. militarism and machoismo. (IF those reviewers are accurate, which is not always true.)

Leaving all that aside (for the moment), the questions I haven't seen addressed:

How does this movie portray (AND SPECULATE ON) robot intelligence?

How does it deal with human attitudes toward machines?

How does it deal with the current pressing tension between "technology's potential to destroy vs. its potential to save and improve life?"

And of course one key, driving question for us all is:

What about the transformers themselves ?

How realistic is the animation?

And: Just how cool ARE they!?!

We all saw the trailers (SIZZLE!) -- and if the movie maintains that level at all -- it will be pretty intense. (One reviewer said "once you've seen one transformation, you will find the other 99 pretty boring" -- but I think some people just don't
GET the robot thang like we do!)

I'm going to see the movie ASAP (hopefully organize a hot date sometime this week with my favorite movie-buddy).

But I also want to hear from EVERYONE else.... have you seen it? Are you going to? What is your thinking on "transformers"? What articles are you reading about this that are worth sharing.

Post your thoughts, relevant links, and videos here.


Dr. Susan Calvin: "To you, a robot is just a robot. But you haven't worked with them. You don't know them. They're a cleaner, better breed than we are."

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July 2, 2007 12:02 PM

I wouldn't go to see this as a treatsie on man/machine relationships and AI.

If I want that, I'll watch my copy of "Batteries Not Included", AI, BiCentenial man, or I Robot.

It's a summer blockbuster SFX fest. Check your deeper thoughts at the door when you pick up your popcorn.

As for the issue of technology's ability to recreate, defend or destroy life, I doubt it will have anything to offer that hasn't been gone over in print and film in the last 200 years. Start with Frankenstein, and work your way forward to IRobot.

Having said all that, you can make easy money if you bet on me seeing it. I definitely will.

ScottE -- collecting and building robots for 40 years - details in profile

July 2, 2007 12:32 PM

First of all, i grok you MrScott. It is a summer blockbuster -- and i have few illusions that it is a nuanced treatise on anything. (Heh!)

However (as you well know) I'm not one to check my brain at the door.

And I also think that even "summer blockbusters" are part of creating a societal discussion about things.

But just because a movie aims for an audience of kids (with an occasional adult robo-freek in attendance), and just cuz it mainlines our adrenaline juices -- doesn't mean it doesn't have a message

And you are exactly right: it is a theme for Frankenstein, to "I Robot", to Terminator. I don't expect anything new... The early discussions suggest that (like the terminator series?) there are two robo-forces here -- one for good, one for evil.

I suspect that this movie has a whole feel (and frenzy) about "unknown mortal danger threatening from without" (i.e. a vibe that connects with certain views on current events).... with a dash of "we need technology for our military security." 


But, honestly, I don't know yet. I want to see the movie... not judge based JUST on the reviews and discussions of others.

When will you see it, MrScott? Let's compare notes. 

Dr. Susan Calvin: "To you, a robot is just a robot. But you haven't worked with them. You don't know them. They're a cleaner, better breed than we are."

July 2, 2007 12:52 PM

As for me, I try very hard not to read reviews prior to seeing a film. I try not to absorb too much from trailers, either, as that just leads to sitting in the theatre wondering when such and such a scene will take place.

 A case in point would be the newest Die Hard movie that's flooding the air waves with snippets. I know a police car will be used to bring down a helicopter. I know the protaganist and his side-kick will survive to quip about it afterwards. That puts that whole sequence into the "waiting for it to happen with a known outcome" category.

 What little I know about the upcoming Transformers movie leads me to belive the themes will be

1- Bad things are 'out there'

2- Despite our technological hubris, we can't protect ourselves

3- If we're lucky, something else 'out there' will help us 

I think the fact that the forces from beyond are mechanical beings will be of 2nd order importance. It could have just as easily been another Aliens Vs Predators, or 5th Element.

At some point when folks have had a chance to see this (a week or two?), I'd consider adding to a thread here on what's to be found within the theatre.

I expect a discussion of the movies BiCentennial Man or AI will be more on topic for our man/machine relationship discussions. The IRobot film was more blockbusterish, but had considerable man/machine subtext to mull over, too.

ScottE -- collecting and building robots for 40 years - details in profile

July 2, 2007 1:31 PM

yes.... to everything you said.  (Including the shared hatred of trailers that tell you too much. Some trailers condense every fun moment of the movie into the video-bite -- which sux for obvious reasons!)

I'm not going to speculate more on transformers -- in an uninformed way. I've said enough. And want to let others speak on it.

Dr. Susan Calvin: "To you, a robot is just a robot. But you haven't worked with them. You don't know them. They're a cleaner, better breed than we are."

July 3, 2007 10:42 AM

Not all reviewers are being negative: Roger Ebert (who i like best anyway) had this to say about Transformers:

"It's goofy fun with a lot of stuff that blows up real good, and it has the grace not only to realize how preposterous it is, but to make that into an asset.... The movie opens like one of those teen comedies where the likable hero is picked on by bullies at school, partly because he didn't make the football team, and mostly because he doesn't have a keen car. Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf) talks his dad into buying him one, and he ends up with an old beater, a yellow Camaro that is actually the Transformer named Bumblebee and gets so mad when his paint job is insulted that it transforms itself into a shiny new Camaro.... The high school stuff, which could be a teenage comedy on its own, segues into the battling robot stuff, and there is some low-key political satire in which the secretary of defense (Jon Voight) runs the country, while the president (not even credited) limits himself to a request for a Ding-Dong."

Transformers the movies

 

My favorite quote from the review:

"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."

 

Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated.

July 3, 2007 10:57 PM

I saw transformers today.  It was a great movie.  As for that question about the mass, a better question would be how a little yellow corvet could contain enough mass. 

July 6, 2007 11:18 AM

 Eastercia: I just saw it last night. Both my date and I just loved it.

More than either of us expected (though, she is the techie sci-fi freek of all time, and it shouldn't have been a surprise!)

I posted my impressions as an article "Transformers: Don't Diss My Four-Wheel Beater Out Loud"

-- anyone got a comment? A different opinion?

 

The following is "just for fun": 

 

 


 

Dr. Susan Calvin: "To you, a robot is just a robot. But you haven't worked with them. You don't know them. They're a cleaner, better breed than we are."

July 6, 2007 11:36 AM

Here is another "real transformer" -- except this one doesn't have a human hidden inside:

 

Resistance is Futile. You will be assimilated.

July 11, 2007 8:30 AM

I went to see it with my wife and son last night. It was an entertaining enough flick, but just about what I expected with regards to exploring the man machine dynamic.

With very few exceptions, the robot personnas were portrayed as repackaged people. Emotionally and culturally, they're just like us, but they happen to convert into vehicles when it serves them.

For me, the most intriguing bot was the little spy-hacker. It was alien enough, and possesed enough inhuman capabilities, that it didn't appear to be an anthropomorphised toaster.

 

ScottE -- collecting and building robots for 40 years - details in profile

September 4, 2008 11:45 AM

just saw it last night after a year wait....it was tight

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