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June 15, 2007 11:05 AM

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MrScott

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Joined: 06/07/2007

Today I rescued an unboxed RoboRaptor from a local warehouse clearance shop. I just wanted to share my joy at the new addition to my robot family, and to ask a couple of questions.

I'd been playing with my new RoboSapien V2 for a week, and read enough about the rest of the product line to chance the $10 "blind" purchase of the RoboRaptor. No box. No remote. No manual.

I just fed it some batteries and powered it up, and it seems to be working fine. It snaps and hisses at your hands if you wave them in front of its nose. tapping the bottom of its chin causes a different reaction. Clapping my hands causes a reaction, too. When left alone for a few minutes, it starts wandering around, sniffing at things it "sees", and screeching.

I've printed out the manual thanks to RoboCommunity, but I'm trapped in the office for several more hours today and have a couple of questions.

Does anybody know if the RoboSapien V2 remote will trip the Raptor's modes?

I know there's an interaction script between the RoboSapien V2 and the RoboRaptor. Is the V2 issuing IR commands to the Raptor to play out this scene?

I've signed up for the Alpha Test of Robo Dance, and have a Lego serial IR Tower, so I'm hoping to be able to control the Raptor using that.

edit - Forgot to mention that I also snagged a loose MiniRaptor for $3 at the same clearance shop. I don't have batteries for that, so I don't know if it's functional yet. I got it mostly because 1- it was cheap, and 2- I can keep it at the office to remind me of my toys at home.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

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June 15, 2007 11:17 AM

yes, the v2 jsut sends ir commands to control the raptor during the interacton skit.  Why don't you try ebay.  There is bound to be someone selling a remote for the raptor or a cheap raptor with a remote.  I don't think the v2's remote will work because i tried it on robopet and it didn't work.  the only way the remote controls more than one thing is if there are multibles of the same robot.

June 15, 2007 11:24 AM

I got a RoboReptile remote from WowWee for $20, the Raptor controller is the same price I think. Jeez, where do you live? Must be nice to have a whole warehouse of stuff to peruse (maybe dangerous!).

Rovio rules!
Wisconsin Iron :: Cellular Atomics

June 15, 2007 11:37 AM

No, you don't want to come here if you want access to new products.

I'm in northern Vermont, far from the maddening crowd, and the product distributers that chase them.

This particular warehouse clearance shop is small scale, with a single row of shelves containing trashed toys from wherever they obtain them. The shop is mostly filled with office supplies, damaged can goods, clothing with minor defects, and low quality tools. I scout it out for discount materials to use in my various hobbies.

I know I'd seen Wowee product from time to time on the shelves there, so I stopped by based on my satisfaction with the RoboSapien V2. I was quite surprised to find a very pristine looking RoboRaptor and Mini RoboRaptor sitting loose on the shelf. Especially at the prices marked.

I did take a leap of faith that there would be something functional with the Raptor. I reasoned that even a partially functional Raptor would likely be a source of parts for some of the hackers here.  Now that it seems to be healthy without its remote, I'll be looking to RoboDance as a controller.

This shop also had a V2 on a shelf in the expensive shelf area. They had it tagged at $125 with no box and possibly no remote. I told them that I picked up one online last week, mint in box, for $80, and that they might need to soften the price on their single sample. 

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

June 15, 2007 1:18 PM

No, the V2 remote will not control the RoboRaptor in any way shape or form. Excepting "Laser tracking" if your V2 remote has it, and the software in the RoboRaptor still supports it.

I note yet another product the "Laser" tracking has been removed from. Is WowWee ever going to give us an official explaination, much as I love speculation about lawsuits.

 

RoboGuide - Your guide to hacking all things WowWee

June 15, 2007 1:56 PM

Thanks for the quick feedback. I better get that RoboDance software downloaded, and the IR tower for it hooked up. That will get me access to more of the Raptor's function.

A quick test of the V2 interraction mode should let me know that the IR receiver on the Raptor is working. 

With regards to IR (Laser) Tracking, I have played around with some IR sources and how the V2 sees them.

When the V2 is sitting there "looking" for something to watch, a remote control from some other appliance makes an excellent "flashlight" with which to tease the V2. I've found that my V2 is very quick to notice and turn to stare at the audio receiver's remote.

A true laser pointer doesn't interest the V2 at all. I'm guessing there's insufficient IR content in that to trip the V2 sensors. 

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

June 15, 2007 2:06 PM

I think what they call the 'laser tracking' is really just a certain pulsed IR pattern that is sharply focussed... my V2 and Reptile remotes have a largeish clear lens, when you hold down the button with the target icon it shines a green light spot on whatever you aim at. The V2 will say something like "Target acquired" and then start walking toward the green spot.

I don't know if that is the same as the original version of laser tracking, mine are more recent models. 

 Hm, did you shine your laser pointer right into the camera to see if it would detect 'red'? (assuming you've got more common pointer). Actually I wonder if that might burn out the CMOS image sensor, maybe not such a good idea, eh?

Rovio rules!
Wisconsin Iron :: Cellular Atomics

June 15, 2007 4:08 PM

This just in.....

The Raptor met the Sapien, and my V2 was able to control the Raptor fully for the preprogrammed interaction sequences. That means that the IR receiver on the Raptor is working.

In one trial, the Raptor was quieted, and came up to the V2 for a nuzzle and a purr. In the next trial, the Raptor turned aggressive, and the V2 signaled retreat. After that, the Raptor went into roam mode and stomped and roared its way around the kitchen.

Looks like all this RoboRaptor needs is an IR controller to be fully functional.

Best $10 I spent this year. 

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

June 16, 2007 12:03 AM

The green spot is to let you know where the "Laser" is pointing. I use quotes around laser because it isn't a laser. You may have noticed the remotes have two IR LED's the second IR LED is the "Laser".

If you really want to know what the "Laser" signal is, see the bottom of the page here

Good to hear your RoboRaptor appears fully functional MrScott. 

RoboGuide - Your guide to hacking all things WowWee

June 20, 2007 10:08 AM

I may have spoken just a tad too soon with regards to the RoboRaptor being fully functional.  There's no jaw motion at all. I don't know how wide it is supposed to open when "snapping" at you, but my Raptor doesn't open up at all.

I little searching found a discussion of a broken jaw for a RoboReptile, but nothing as far as a howto for working on the RoboRaptor's jaw.

I'll be opening up the body to look for obvious disconnected linkages. Does anybody who has poked around inside a RoboRaptor have any tips before I start working my way inside? Is the Raptor jaw similar to the Reptile jaw? Does it use a cable and a cam to open the jaw?

I'm experienced enough in such things to know that documenting where each screw comes from helps tremendously when the time comes to put it all back together. I'll probably just point the MPVR camcorder at the workbench and catch the whole thing as an MPEG. It might make for a handy tutorial later on. 

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

June 20, 2007 10:45 AM

Hmmm... RoboRaptor jaw... works on a similar pull wire system, except the RoboRaptors jaw opening is linked to neck movement, while RoboReptiles is independant. I might have a photo....

Yup, see here. If you follow the neck back to the torso, you can see the white rectangular motor / gear box that controls the neck rotation. Coming of the back of that is a hinged peice, if you look closely at it, you should see the black looking peice, which is where the wire for the jaw attaches. Most likely, if the jaw isn't opeing the wire has come loose or snapped.

My advice, don't open the head and neck unless you have to.

 

RoboGuide - Your guide to hacking all things WowWee

June 27, 2007 9:46 AM

I had a chance to delve inside the Raptor guts last evening.

After removing the left leg and left half of the body shell, I was able to see the neck and mouth moving mechanisms.

The cable to the mouth is intact. Tugging on it causes the mouth to open. The cable is attached via a metal ring screwed into a plastic lever arm.

When I carefully power up the Raptor to observe the function, I see the plastic piston with the beveled end pushing on the cable's lever arm. When the head turns to the side, the lever arm is pushed to the maximum amount. Less so with the head turned to the other side.

 I still observe very little mouth motion. I can convince myself that it moves a small amount, but it's very hard to notice it.  There definitely is much more range of motion possible by pulling on the cable.

It's as if either the cable is too long, the neck is too short, or the beveled piston is not throwing as far as it should/could.

I've reassembled the Raptor for the time being. Though I may have gotten a twist introduced into the neck, as it seems to be looking slightly to its left when it used to be looking straight ahead. I'll probably pop the case open again to check on that. 

 On a related topic, I did get the RoboDance alpha install done last evening. I haven't hooked up the IR Tower yet, but that's next on my list.

ScottE -- Member (always) & Moderator (when needed)

March 22, 2008 1:04 PM

Hi! Just got a raptor from a Radio-shack, open box, for $10 as well, seems to work & had remote. They only had a box for a reptile, so before Ilooked online, i thought I had an early version reptile or something. Ours has alot of trouble walkin on most surfaces I wonder if there's something I can do to clean his movement up. I think he was a store demo modell for his whole life.  I'll post if I see any problems. His mouth movement seems to be kinda closed, to closed tight. He can pinch my finger & tug's yanks at it real good.

So check Radio shack's (also a goodwill near me, torrington CT, has a robo reptile for $45 

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